People paying attention know that I have been mulling over making a rogue for a while now thanks to seeing how amazing they can be when a good player is behind them. So I have done what I always have done let my mind wonder, ask twitter and looked at the forums for rogue builds. And while I got some good replies I got a lot more information that was opposed to what i felt i wanted to do. Also i wanted to get away from using a monk shell, i know it is amazing and i really liked my 11/9 rog/monk life on Samius but i want something different…
Anyway I have a work in progress for the build I TRed (an unloved Clr) into last night. Yes I am leveling this guy with a fairly rough plan and hoping that my instincts are simi close on this one.
Before I post the build and show the changes that have been made even as early as this morning, I want to say for some reason I am super excited about this side project. More so then Java even who I am super pleased with and really liked how is turning out. The last project I was this excited over was Darth Samius my DPS project.
Bowassin (Working Title)
18 Rogue 1 Artificer 1 Fighter Helf Assassin/AA
Str 14, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 16, Wis 8, Chr 8
+2 tomes for all stats, +3s for some maybe +4s in a few… All level ups currently in Int but there is some possible room for a few points in Dex if decide to max ranged dps (Not currently planned)
Skills: I think this build has like 12+ish points a level most levels think I can work in all the different skills I want as a rogue.
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Toughness
Level 3 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Level 4 (Rogue)
Level 5 (Rogue)
Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Rogue)
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Rogue)
Level 11 (Rogue)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Level 13 (Rogue)
Level 14 (Rogue)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Level 16 (Rogue)
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Level 19 (Rogue)
Level 20 (Rogue)
Improved Sneak Attack (need to play with dex to be able to take this)
Again like most of my AA builds my feat order is to work in AA as soon as possible. In this case we are looking at level 7 or 8 depending on if I want to take AA or Assassin first.
Also the “rogue bonus feats” I am not sure what ones to take OR the order to take these feats but this is my best guess.
Finally I can move Precision up in the feat list at anytime if I am willing to move Manyshot up into post 20 level area, which right at the moment I am not willing to do but if I starting hitting heavy forted guys stopping my sneak attacks I will move as needed. Right now I hope Black Dragon armor from 14-20 will cover most fort bypass needs.
Rogue Damage Boost I
Rogue Damage Boost II
Rogue Haste Boost I
Rogue Haste Boost II
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Improved Ranger Dilettante II
Human Adaptability Constitution I
Human Greater Adaptability Intelligence I
Human Improved Recovery I
Human Improved Recovery II
Human Versatility I
Human Versatility II
Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Racial Toughness I
Racial Toughness II
Racial Toughness III
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer I
Rogue Assassin I
Rogue Assassin II
Rogue Assassin III
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Improved Hide I
Improved Hide II
Improved Move Silently I
Improved Move Silently II
Artificer Energy of Creation I
Fighter Toughness I
Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Now there is a little play here, not a ton but some. I could pull Haste boost 2 and some human versatility for Improved Ranger Dilettante 3 for 8 points of bow strength.
I want a high DC Assassin guy, DC 10 + Rogue Level (18) + Int Modifier (base/lvl ups +4 tome 25+ 1 enchantment + 8 item +3 item +1 item +ship = 40 or +15) + EMG 45 + 6 Shadowdancer Stealth == 51 fairly easily. Add in Yugo pots as needed.
Massive burst DPS Sneak attack + Manyshot aka make the tank work at the moment this build has 13d6 of sneak attack dice + that possibly Improved Sneak Attack and who knows what from Shadowdancer…
I don’t have any real long-term gear plans or destiny plans other then Stealthy.
So there you go my rogue build, feel free to comment via the comments/email/twitter or whatever.
I love my assassin pure rogue. I took a beating in str and dex to max my int at creation. My next life for him I will leave him a H-elf but take between 2 and 4 levels of ranger for the twf feat and bow feats. Not to mention at level 4 you have 2 favorite enemies with ranger-one of which I always choose construct. Dilly will be fighter. That will give me elf and ranger dex enhancements so I can use a feat to switch weapon damage to dex.
You will have a blast with your build-just about as much fun as a 3rd life monk is 😛
can you really take toughness as a fighter bonus feat? I know you can for monk… wow. guess I need to pay more attention!
I am working on a THF assassin… just have to remember to keep a weapon in each hand until getting into the quest so I dont get booted for wielding a greatsword!
@ MnaSidhe – you might be right. Do to some shuffling with both stats and then feats my planing might need more time shuffling feats around. I had toughness @ 1 and 2wf @ 2 but when i was actually rolling things up i saw i could take 2wf and i took it instead. I might need to do a feat swap right away but that is what Fred is for.
Shadowdancer is the bomb.
The ranged attack mode is bugged, but it’s melee part works great. They can completely troll a dungeon with invisibility and Shadow Manipulation–an awesome Dominate spell.
Great not only on Rogues but Dark Monks. Highly recommend exploring it’s power.
@samius well what about taking WF:ranged as fighter bonus L2 and getting toughness at L3 then. Fred is a bit broken.
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