People paying attention know that I have been mulling over making a rogue for a while now thanks to seeing how amazing they can be when a good player is behind them. So I have done what I always have done let my mind wonder, ask twitter and looked at the forums for rogue builds. And while I got some good replies I got a lot more information that was opposed to what i felt i wanted to do. Also i wanted to get away from using a monk shell, i know it is amazing and i really liked my 11/9 rog/monk life on Samius but i want something different…
Anyway I have a work in progress for the build I TRed (an unloved Clr) into last night. Yes I am leveling this guy with a fairly rough plan and hoping that my instincts are simi close on this one.
Before I post the build and show the changes that have been made even as early as this morning, I want to say for some reason I am super excited about this side project. More so then Java even who I am super pleased with and really liked how is turning out. The last project I was this excited over was Darth Samius my DPS project.
The build:
Bowassin (Working Title)
18 Rogue 1 Artificer 1 Fighter Helf Assassin/AA
Str 14, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 16, Wis 8, Chr 8
+2 tomes for all stats, +3s for some maybe +4s in a few… All level ups currently in Int but there is some possible room for a few points in Dex if decide to max ranged dps (Not currently planned)
Skills: I think this build has like 12+ish points a level most levels think I can work in all the different skills I want as a rogue.
Leveling order:
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Toughness
Level 3 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Level 4 (Rogue)
Level 5 (Rogue)
Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Rogue)
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Rogue)
Level 11 (Rogue)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Level 13 (Rogue)
Level 14 (Rogue)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Level 16 (Rogue)
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Level 19 (Rogue)
Level 20 (Rogue)
Epic Feats:
Precision
Improved Sneak Attack (need to play with dex to be able to take this)
Feat Comments:
Again like most of my AA builds my feat order is to work in AA as soon as possible. In this case we are looking at level 7 or 8 depending on if I want to take AA or Assassin first.
Also the “rogue bonus feats” I am not sure what ones to take OR the order to take these feats but this is my best guess.
Finally I can move Precision up in the feat list at anytime if I am willing to move Manyshot up into post 20 level area, which right at the moment I am not willing to do but if I starting hitting heavy forted guys stopping my sneak attacks I will move as needed. Right now I hope Black Dragon armor from 14-20 will cover most fort bypass needs.
Projected Enchantments:
Rogue Damage Boost I
Rogue Damage Boost II
Rogue Haste Boost I
Rogue Haste Boost II
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Improved Ranger Dilettante II
Human Adaptability Constitution I
Human Greater Adaptability Intelligence I
Human Improved Recovery I
Human Improved Recovery II
Human Versatility I
Human Versatility II
Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Racial Toughness I
Racial Toughness II
Racial Toughness III
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Elven Arcane Archer I
Rogue Assassin I
Rogue Assassin II
Rogue Assassin III
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Improved Hide I
Improved Hide II
Improved Move Silently I
Improved Move Silently II
Artificer Energy of Creation I
Fighter Toughness I
Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Now there is a little play here, not a ton but some. I could pull Haste boost 2 and some human versatility for Improved Ranger Dilettante 3 for 8 points of bow strength.
Goals/Thoughts:
I want a high DC Assassin guy, DC 10 + Rogue Level (18) + Int Modifier (base/lvl ups +4 tome 25+ 1 enchantment + 8 item +3 item +1 item +ship = 40 or +15) + EMG 45 + 6 Shadowdancer Stealth == 51 fairly easily. Add in Yugo pots as needed.
Massive burst DPS Sneak attack + Manyshot aka make the tank work at the moment this build has 13d6 of sneak attack dice + that possibly Improved Sneak Attack and who knows what from Shadowdancer…
I don’t have any real long-term gear plans or destiny plans other then Stealthy.
So there you go my rogue build, feel free to comment via the comments/email/twitter or whatever.
<3s
I love my assassin pure rogue. I took a beating in str and dex to max my int at creation. My next life for him I will leave him a H-elf but take between 2 and 4 levels of ranger for the twf feat and bow feats. Not to mention at level 4 you have 2 favorite enemies with ranger-one of which I always choose construct. Dilly will be fighter. That will give me elf and ranger dex enhancements so I can use a feat to switch weapon damage to dex.
You will have a blast with your build-just about as much fun as a 3rd life monk is 😛
can you really take toughness as a fighter bonus feat? I know you can for monk… wow. guess I need to pay more attention!
I am working on a THF assassin… just have to remember to keep a weapon in each hand until getting into the quest so I dont get booted for wielding a greatsword!
@ MnaSidhe – you might be right. Do to some shuffling with both stats and then feats my planing might need more time shuffling feats around. I had toughness @ 1 and 2wf @ 2 but when i was actually rolling things up i saw i could take 2wf and i took it instead. I might need to do a feat swap right away but that is what Fred is for.
🙂
Shadowdancer is the bomb.
The ranged attack mode is bugged, but it’s melee part works great. They can completely troll a dungeon with invisibility and Shadow Manipulation–an awesome Dominate spell.
Great not only on Rogues but Dark Monks. Highly recommend exploring it’s power.
@samius well what about taking WF:ranged as fighter bonus L2 and getting toughness at L3 then. Fred is a bit broken.
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